Comments for DAOwnunder http://daownunder.wordpress.com Aboriginal news, views, and expression, from Australia Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:20:48 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on Aboriginal Is Not A Religion by Rosa Cobos http://daownunder.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/aboriginal-is-not-a-religion/#comment-95 Rosa Cobos Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:20:48 +0000 http://daownunder.wordpress.com/?p=59#comment-95 Read your article with most intention. i know what you mean,though really difficult to understand this background to the original. Are you suggesting that for finding the ab-original one should look first into oneself? It is easier to label. It is easier to discrimintate... we are doing it inside and outside..of ourselves What about... if all of of a suddedn we go deeper and deeper and find that as it is happening in the searching for the origin of mmatter we find that we cannot get any further...there is not origin?.. not in the way we assume it as a concept? This is really exciting... as a searching and as a reality that is trying to involve our development. No lineal development.... not existing the end.. the goals. Thanks John.. for your points of feelings and views... yes.. feelings also change of point.. that depending on context.. the same with ideas. Thanks. Rosa Read your article with most intention.
i know what you mean,though really difficult to understand this background to the original. Are you suggesting that for finding the ab-original one should look first into oneself? It is easier to label. It is easier to discrimintate… we are doing it inside and outside..of ourselves
What about… if all of of a suddedn we go deeper and deeper and find that as it is happening in the searching for the origin of mmatter we find that we cannot get any further…there is not origin?.. not in the way we assume it as a concept?

This is really exciting… as a searching and as a reality that is trying to involve our development. No lineal development…. not existing the end.. the goals.
Thanks John.. for your points of feelings and views… yes.. feelings also change of point.. that depending on context.. the same with ideas.
Thanks.
Rosa

]]> Comment on Your Child Belongs To Me by Renee http://daownunder.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/your-child-belongs-to-me/#comment-77 Renee Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:57:20 +0000 http://daownunder.wordpress.com/?p=57#comment-77 Very good...You might want to check out the The Prussian (German) Educational System that was introduced in 1819 and has been the basis for most education systems throughout the world...the end result of the Prussian education system was to train the masses "to obedience, subordination, and collective life." i.e remove any free thinking from the general population. If you combined this with a "colonised mind" of the Aboriginal people you will then begin to realise why we reject our own culture in favour of our colonisers or oppressors. Your research shows some interesting quotes from your sources but for a more accurate and parallel understanding of our current situation I would strongly suggest that you look towards reading black works such as Steve Biko's 'We Blacks' and 'Black Consciousness and the Quest for a True Humanity', Aime Cesaire's 'Discourse on Colonialism' and Frantz Fannon's 'Black Skin White Masks'. There are also other numerous writings on decolinising the mind and "miseducation". Oh and of course one should never overlook our own black writings ;) it is just that the above are the foundations for most modern black thinking today. “When it comes to teaching the Black people something about great Black man who were scientist who stood their ground…The white man has shrewdly written that role out of the textbooks and today the effect it has on you and me - we don’t think we can stand on our own two feet” Malcolm X Who taught you to hate yourself? Very good…You might want to check out the The Prussian (German) Educational System that was introduced in 1819 and has been the basis for most education systems throughout the world…the end result of the Prussian education system was to train the masses “to obedience, subordination, and collective life.” i.e remove any free thinking from the general population. If you combined this with a “colonised mind” of the Aboriginal people you will then begin to realise why we reject our own culture in favour of our colonisers or oppressors. Your research shows some interesting quotes from your sources but for a more accurate and parallel understanding of our current situation I would strongly suggest that you look towards reading black works such as Steve Biko’s ‘We Blacks’ and ‘Black Consciousness and the Quest for a True Humanity’, Aime Cesaire’s ‘Discourse on Colonialism’ and Frantz Fannon’s ‘Black Skin White Masks’. There are also other numerous writings on decolinising the mind and “miseducation”. Oh and of course one should never overlook our own black writings ;) it is just that the above are the foundations for most modern black thinking today.
“When it comes to teaching the Black people something about great Black man who were scientist who stood their ground…The white man has shrewdly written that role out of the textbooks and today the effect it has on you and me – we don’t think we can stand on our own two feet” Malcolm X Who taught you to hate yourself?

]]> Comment on Aboriginal Not A Religion (Full) by Aboriginal Is Not A Religion « DAOwnunder http://daownunder.wordpress.com/selected-articles/aboriginal-not-a-religion-full/#comment-65 Aboriginal Is Not A Religion « DAOwnunder Sun, 25 May 2008 06:02:52 +0000 http://daownunder.wordpress.com/?page_id=60#comment-65 [...] Aboriginal Not A Religion [...] [...] Aboriginal Not A Religion [...]

]]> Comment on Cultural Respect Defined by Erica http://daownunder.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/cultural-respect-defined/#comment-54 Erica Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:18:03 +0000 http://daownunder.wordpress.com/?p=54#comment-54 too bad a great deal of American Government and it's citizen do not understand too bad a great deal of American Government and it’s citizen do not understand

]]> Comment on It’s Time to Get Black Back on Track by ozala http://daownunder.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/its-time-to-get-black-back-on-track/#comment-31 ozala Sun, 06 Apr 2008 09:47:58 +0000 http://daownunder.wordpress.com/?p=45#comment-31 nice post I'v added your blog to mine wish u and your family all the best <strong>Reply:</strong> Thx for visit and comment, and for the link/back from your blog. Appreciated. nice post I’v added your blog to mine
wish u and your family all the best

Reply: Thx for visit and comment, and for the link/back from your blog. Appreciated.

]]> Comment on Outcast in Their Country by giancarlo mazzella http://daownunder.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/outcast-in-their-country/#comment-24 giancarlo mazzella Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:22:01 +0000 http://daownunder.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/44/#comment-24 There are 2 worlds in which I live in kununurra. There is a black world and a white world which exists in some senses it is apartheid which is evident. Go to the kununurra hotel there is a backbar for blacks which the locals call the 'animal bar' and the front bar for the rest..... I know which bar I prefer.... There are 2 worlds in which I live in kununurra.
There is a black world and a white world which exists in some senses it is apartheid which is evident.

Go to the kununurra hotel there is a backbar for blacks which the locals call the ‘animal bar’ and the front bar for the rest…..

I know which bar I prefer….

]]> Comment on Aboriginal “Industry” Continues by giancarlo mazzella http://daownunder.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/aboriginal-industry-continues/#comment-23 giancarlo mazzella Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:17:36 +0000 http://daownunder.wordpress.com/?p=42#comment-23 Nothing will change until we have politicians who have the political will to make change, instead of the hot air and pontificating which has flooded our senses. For example the west australian government receives more than $80,000 per minute from mining resources off aboriginal country yet are prepared to pay aboriginal health workers a pittance to tackle third world health problems that exist in a first world country. Denial and vasilating pontification prevails, maybe the pollies are hoping that all the old people will die and then it won't be a problem for them to tackle. Nothing will change until we have politicians who have the political will to make change, instead of the hot air and pontificating which has flooded our senses. For example the west australian government receives more than $80,000 per minute from mining resources off aboriginal country yet are prepared to pay aboriginal health workers a pittance to tackle
third world health problems that exist in a first world country.
Denial and vasilating pontification prevails, maybe the pollies are hoping that all the old people will die and then it won’t be a problem for them to tackle.

]]> Comment on Apology to Aborigines: Speech by Aboriginal “Industry” Continues « DAOwnunder http://daownunder.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/apology-to-aborigines-speech/#comment-21 Aboriginal “Industry” Continues « DAOwnunder Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:02:32 +0000 http://daownunder.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-21 [...] the National Apology been and done (13 Feb 2008), and despite millions of dollars being allocated annualy for [...] [...] the National Apology been and done (13 Feb 2008), and despite millions of dollars being allocated annualy for [...]

]]> Comment on Earth Honouring by Elizabeth Shanklin http://daownunder.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/earth-honouring/#comment-8 Elizabeth Shanklin Sun, 24 Feb 2008 01:02:04 +0000 http://daownunder.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/earth-honouring/#comment-8 Yes! Where I live–in the U.S. in New York State–sadly, we can today witness the process of patriarchal transformation of the matriarchal Iroquois peoples, a violent process of subjugation. Doug George-Kanentioo in his Iroquois Culture & Commentary writes, “In our society, women are the centre of all things. Nature, we believe, has given women the ability to create; therefore it is only natural that women be in positions of power to protect this function. In the Iroquois world, a female baby was a blessing from the Creator because such a child meant the cycle of our generations would continue on. From earliest childhood, the girl baby was encouraged to take a leading role in her family and group, never to hesitate to express her feelings, and never to qualify her creative impulses in order to please a man.” (53-54) In the past several years, the U.S. government denied the authority of the Clanmother and negotiated a casino with a male, who subsequently evicted the Iroquois matriarchal community from their homes. Professor Tula Goeke of Syracuse University recorded some of the struggle in a video, Dancing on Mother Earth. But Joanne Shenandoah and Doug George-Kanentioo, her husband, fight on. Joanne is a singer/songwriter who has been nominated for an Emmy Award for her album The Peacemaker. Another of my favourites is The Matriarch: Iroquois Women’s Songs ... the treatment of motherhood in Western political thought as the introduction to my M.A. essay, <strong>Toward Matriarchy: the Radical Struggle of Nineteenth-Century Women in the US to Reconstruct Motherhood.</strong> I found that the “essence” of patriarchy was that women would not be allowed their creativity to mother. Plato wrote that women could be part of the governing class but that they should not be allowed to even know their own children because maternal bonding with a child undermined the interests of the state. Yes! Where I live–in the U.S. in New York State–sadly, we can today witness the process of patriarchal transformation of the matriarchal Iroquois peoples, a violent process of subjugation. Doug George-Kanentioo in his Iroquois Culture & Commentary writes,

“In our society, women are the centre of all things. Nature, we believe, has given women the ability to create; therefore it is only natural that women be in positions of power to protect this function. In the Iroquois world, a female baby was a blessing from the Creator because such a child meant the cycle of our generations would continue on. From earliest childhood, the girl baby was encouraged to take a leading role in her family and group, never to hesitate to express her feelings, and never to qualify her creative impulses in order to please a man.” (53-54)

In the past several years, the U.S. government denied the authority of the Clanmother and negotiated a casino with a male, who subsequently evicted the Iroquois matriarchal community from their homes. Professor Tula Goeke of Syracuse University recorded some of the struggle in a video, Dancing on Mother Earth. But Joanne Shenandoah and Doug George-Kanentioo, her husband, fight on. Joanne is a singer/songwriter who has been nominated for an Emmy Award for her album The Peacemaker. Another of my favourites is The Matriarch: Iroquois Women’s Songs

… the treatment of motherhood in Western political thought as the introduction to my M.A. essay, Toward Matriarchy: the Radical Struggle of Nineteenth-Century Women in the US to Reconstruct Motherhood. I found that the “essence” of patriarchy was that women would not be allowed their creativity to mother. Plato wrote that women could be part of the governing class but that they should not be allowed to even know their own children because maternal bonding with a child undermined the interests of the state.

]]> Comment on Closing The Gap by No Room For Feeling « DAOwnunder http://daownunder.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/closing-the-gap/#comment-5 No Room For Feeling « DAOwnunder Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:20:05 +0000 http://daownunder.wordpress.com/?p=18#comment-5 [...] read related post Closing The Gap, regarding the disappearance of Aboriginal culture here in [...] [...] read related post Closing The Gap, regarding the disappearance of Aboriginal culture here in [...]

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